So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.

tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process.

Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand.

I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?

First you remove my alloys, risking the possibility of destroying our economy for a long period of time. Then you keep Mining so ******* boring that most people can only bear doing it by Botting. But then you crack down on bots. THEN, you **** up my trusec.

I've been very understanding of you, CCP, but this is a step too far. Thanks for destroying the value of my home.

This change was pointed by CSM in the last meeting, so it is the community voice that is supporting this changes. It was needed...

I'm really sorry for you living in the drone region, now you will rat for isk, not for minerals, so you will buy minerals with isk, from the miners... and the game will be to you as it is for everyone else... so give them some love... the more miners there is the less isk you will need to pay for your minerals...

CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

will killing drones bump security status?

edit, nvm, answered on P4 ("no")

Demand wont stay the same. What was seen as a bubble in the mineral market has stabelised. Banned bots are banned. In the good old days we had plenty of caps for mineral prices (hello Mr Shuttle). All that stuff is gone. What is not gone is the covert cyno. AFK cloaker will be a big problem now. It's fairly easy to move to next system if you want to shoot NPCs. If you want to mine those roids, you need to be close to them.

It's going to be a complete mess. :)



About 40% of all highends. Lowmins where mostly used to build supers.

I'm glad we have links to dev shoes and no answers to any question brought up. Seems to be "We're putting bounties on drones and didn't think beyond that..."

We shoot your miners so that something else that can ineffectually shoot back comes out.

Nerfing the drone regions is pushing inflation in minerals found in addition to Zyde, Mega and Morphite in drone poo. What are you going to do about the shortage/rampant inflation of minerals found in high sec rocks?

Please also keep in mind that at 300m for a hulk and assuming a suicide gank every 10 hours of mining, the floor price of veld is 30m. Plugging this formula into a spreadsheet =30000000/60/((1600/33.3)*1000), gives a minimum trit price of around 10.0 for break even.

Something needs to give.

1) Excellent, the creeping subjective devaluing of assets was taking away one of the core principles that make eve great: Consequences.
2) The nerf is much milder than predicted, actually. If you ran incursions before because you liked to play that way, you're surely going to continue.
3) Until you actually see the bounties on the drones, you can't judge the effects of the new true sec. The only part about it that's definitely negative is the new isk faucet it opens.

Great changes overall, CCP.

Your alliance, probably not. I'd like to see some info on the average life expectancy of a non-bot player mining within a reasonable distance of a market hub is.

Does a good hotdop worth losing a tec2 frigate? yes.

Does a mining barge fleet risk going to a belt in a system is filed with neutrals in local? no.

People olny mine when it is profitable, risking to lose a Hulk is not, so or ccp makes it and gives a way to fight cloaked ships and remove them from system, or the economy will have a hard time ahead.

The problem of afk cloakers are that you can't do nothing to remove them once they are there. and yes, it kills the system economy, no matter how fortified is the system defenses! once the afk cloaker spots a miinning barge fleet, it just needs to open um a cyno and spike the local and maybe kill 1 ship to ruin the operation for the day and the economy of the system..

Well, I like the idea of less mining-with-guns, but there's a better solution: Make the NPCs more challenging and have less of them. I gotta love CCP, but y'all are terrible at making revisions to your product. Invention of new ideas seems to be the big thing at CCP but getting a decent system to be great seems to be out of your area of expertese.

If you just made NPCs more challenging, you'd have more noobs and carebears trained to fight like the rest of the community does vs powerful small gangs. If this happened, it would also impact the loot drops, as fewer ships to loot equals less mining by gun. ECM would be useful vs NPCs... the list goes on and on.

Prices of minerals are going up. I'm an industrialist, and I'm holding out to see where it tops out. I don't really care how far up it goes, since I'll make my percentage in any case. I may lose a ship of raw materials occasionally, but that's much less than what miners risk in belts.

My view on Eve is that it's currently a game marked for death. With a community of players and developers who don't care about retaining new subscribers, Eve is going to join the dinosaurs soon. I can't believe that this thread was spun as a benefit to miners at all - it won't help miners as they'll just be more prone to ganking. They'll be flying more expensive ships with more expensive cargo. What pirate wouldn't love that? As mining is often one of the first professions many players start out in, it will probably create a lot of rage quits, too. I can only assume at this point that this is CCP's intent.

Sorry, but I don't give a damn about Hulk miners. I am a Gunminer. Hulk miners should stop Hulk mining and join the more profitable Gunmining.

AFK cloaking needs to be addressed. And to be frank everyone else is being nerfed it is about time for this form of near risk free PVP to be balanced as well.

Cloak timer or my plan that involves being detectable after a certain about of time sitting in one grid.